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tim... (17.09.2017, 16:19)
"D A Stocks" <nospam> wrote in message
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> "Recliner" <recliner.ng> wrote in message
> news:tcom
> Can't speak for Heathrow, Gatwick has the facilities described below for
> arrivals at the South terminal:


oops

missed that you had already said it :-(
Neil Williams (17.09.2017, 20:19)
On 2017-09-15 13:39:46 +0000, Ian Batten said:

> Partly because it's nice if airside is downstream from checking,


That does have benefits, yes, but it's not scary. At AMS basically
airside was only the gate area.

The security *advantage* of it is that if there's a breach you dump a
gate, not a terminal, and there is much less scope to sneak anything in.

> and partly
> because the people on the at-gate scanning are less experienced, less
> well equipped and completely unsupervised.


What evidence do you have of that (pre body-scanner)?

Neil
Neil Williams (17.09.2017, 20:20)
On 2017-09-15 12:38:35 +0000, Roland Perry said:

> Or you can look at as more efficient:
> You'll never get stuck in a queue longer than that for just your plane,
> and they'll never leave you behind.


That was the upside, but AMS being AMS the passport queue often took on
the flight-missing-cause role.

Neil
Neil Williams (17.09.2017, 20:21)
On 2017-09-15 14:35:16 +0000, Clank said:

> ITYM "convenient"; yes, it is indeed much more convenient for the traveller.
> But in terms of resource utilisation - i.e. efficiency - it's terrible. All
> that kit sits there unused for most of the day, only to be employed when a
> plane actually departs from that gate.


Indeed. And while it wasn't unaffordable to have simple WTMDs doing
that, it wasn't affordable to have complex, expensive body scanners
doing it.

Neil
Neil Williams (17.09.2017, 20:23)
On 2017-09-15 15:33:40 +0000, Roland Perry said:

> *Those* people know they don't need to get to the gate that early, just
> like other airports.


Fun conversation at AMS:

Me: When does the gate close?
Staff: You need to get to the gate an hour before departure.
Me: No, that wasn't the question. When does the gate close?
<repeat several times>
Staff: Oh, OK, 20 minutes beforehand, just make sure you are not late
as we will not wait for you.

Of course if everyone had that discussion it would be late.

Neil
Neil Williams (17.09.2017, 20:25)
On 2017-09-15 16:00:37 +0000, Recliner said:

> In some airports, such as Singapore, a small group of gates share the
> security kit (ie, there's a common security queue for the group of
> gates). That way, you get the benefits of gate security, but also
> ensure good utilisation of the staff and equipment.


At one point years ago AMS had it on the piers, that's why there were
"valve doors" (always left open) at the pier ends. The problem with
this was that due to the old layout it only worked if all flights using
those gates were from trusted countries, as there was no segregation.

At the time it was presumably cheaper to do it at the gate than to
modify the airport to segregate arrivals (as is now the case).

Neil
Neil Williams (17.09.2017, 20:27)
On 2017-09-16 11:25:31 +0000, Graeme Wall said:

> Only place I can recall coming across that arrangement was Berlin
> Schonefeld flying Ryanair. Possibly Biarritz as well but they were
> both about 10 years ago.


A good number of low-cost airports use pens. Luton does, for one
example. The AMS H-pier used to, but I haven't been there for years.

Neil
Neil Williams (17.09.2017, 20:29)
On 2017-09-16 14:12:23 +0000, Graeme Wall said:

> If ID isn't needed for internal flights, why did I have to have it for
> trips to Glasgow, Belfast and Jersey? All from Southampton.


Airline revenue protection.

Neil
Jeremy Double (17.09.2017, 21:45)
tim... <tims_new_home> wrote:
> "D A Stocks" <nospam> wrote in message
> news:eos1
> AIUI, they do this at LGW


Langwathby? ;-)
[..]
Roland Perry (18.09.2017, 12:59)
In message <f27pbmFs6o7U1>, at 18:23:15 on Sun, 17
Sep 2017, Neil Williams <wensleydale> remarked:
>Fun conversation at AMS:
>Me: When does the gate close?
>Staff: You need to get to the gate an hour before departure.
>Me: No, that wasn't the question. When does the gate close?
><repeat several times>
>Staff: Oh, OK, 20 minutes beforehand, just make sure you are not late
>as we will not wait for you.
>Of course if everyone had that discussion it would be late.


Precisely. And the same logic applies to other queues such as "how long
before the flight must I check in".

I recall taking one of the rare American Airlines direct flights from
Stansted, back in the day, and arriving at check-in the time one usually
does at Stansted (t minus 1hr) to be told I was almost too late by the
horrified staff. But there was no queue, and by the time we'd whizzed
through security there was still a good half hour spare before we needed
to get on the very lightly loaded plane.
Roland Perry (18.09.2017, 13:02)
In message <f27p5lFs4fuU1>, at 18:20:02 on Sun, 17
Sep 2017, Neil Williams <wensleydale> remarked:
>> Or you can look at as more efficient:
>> You'll never get stuck in a queue longer than that for just your
>>plane, and they'll never leave you behind.

>That was the upside, but AMS being AMS the passport queue often took on
>the flight-missing-cause role.


The government check, or the airline check?

A tip for AMS is to not automatically use the government passport queue
nearest your check-in desk. Others can often be much quieter.
Neil Williams (18.09.2017, 15:34)
On 2017-09-18 10:02:10 +0000, Roland Perry said:

> The government check, or the airline check?


Government.

> A tip for AMS is to not automatically use the government passport queue
> nearest your check-in desk. Others can often be much quieter.


Indeed so.

Neil
tim... (18.09.2017, 15:42)
"Roland Perry" <roland> wrote in message
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> In message <f27pbmFs6o7U1>, at 18:23:15 on Sun, 17 Sep
> 2017, Neil Williams <wensleydale> remarked:
> Precisely. And the same logic applies to other queues such as "how long
> before the flight must I check in".
> I recall taking one of the rare American Airlines direct flights from
> Stansted,


I thought it went everyday at the same time

how does that qualify as rare?

tim

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