ukclique > railway

Basil Jet (23.09.2017, 20:50)
On 2017\09\23 09:57, tolly57 wrote:
> -Yesterdays Metro reported that a guard stole a drunk passenger's
> wallet and pin from Ockendon station and used his card 12 times
> to withdraw £640. He disclosed his pin to her to as he was
> incapable to use a ticket machine to purchase a ticket. She was
> prosecuted at Basildon magistrates court. 150 hours unpaid work
> and repay the cash. Call this justice?




Mark Goodge (23.09.2017, 21:36)
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 19:50:55 +0100, Basil Jet <basil>
wrote:

>On 2017 09:57, tolly57 wrote:
>
>


Although neither of those applied in this case, anyway. The offender
wasn't a youth, so the additional guidelines for ethnic minority
youths didn't apply, and the standard sentence for a crime of this
nature is non-custodial to begin with, so the additional gudelines for
mentally ill women aren't relevent either.

Mark
bathwellschap (23.09.2017, 22:36)
On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 11:10:08 AM UTC+1, tolly57 wrote:
> "tim..." <tims_new_home> Wrote in message:
> I'll grant you the loss of employment but they cannot care less
> about the former. Look how many re-offend.

Mmm...
How many would that be, then?
Charles Ellson (24.09.2017, 01:56)
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 13:36:39 -0700 (PDT), bathwellschap
wrote:

>On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 11:10:08 AM UTC+1, tolly57 wrote:
>Mmm...
>How many would that be, then?

It depends which right-wing rag is wittering on about it.
Charles Ellson (24.09.2017, 02:03)
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 19:49:45 +0100, "tim..." <tims_new_home>
wrote:

>"BirchangerKen" <ken> wrote in message
>news:p1v6
>whilst that might have been against the conditions of his employment
>ISTM that it doesn't fall into the criminal category

It can on various grounds, mainly to do with licensing and the age of
purchasers. If they were out of date then the sale was fraudulent.
Anna Noyd-Dryver (24.09.2017, 11:16)
BirchangerKen <ken> wrote:
[..]
> but they rarely were.
> But he was a character, full of witty repartee, and made train travel
> a more pleasant experience.


Oh indeed, there will always be people who try to cheat the system. They
get caught eventually.

However I'm struggling to think of an occasion when they've been ripping
off the customer, rather than the company.

Anna Noyd-Dryver
tim... (24.09.2017, 11:34)
"Charles Ellson" <ce11son> wrote in message
news:sask
> On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 19:49:45 +0100, "tim..." <tims_new_home>
> wrote:
> It can on various grounds, mainly to do with licensing and the age of
> purchasers. If they were out of date then the sale was fraudulent.


But these would be offences in the own right (if they are, in fact
committed) even if the guy was selling these things from his own front room.

They don't make the undying act (of doing it during the course of his
employment) a crime.

I can make crimes out of a train official doing his "paid for" job by adding
in some "doing the job wrongly" part to the description what he did (E.g.
restraining an un-ticketed customer "with unreasonable force").

tim
Arthur Figgis (24.09.2017, 13:05)
On 23/09/2017 19:19, BirchangerKen wrote:

> And then there was an infamous buffet steward on the LS-Cambridge
> trains in the years just prior to electrification. He was always
> pushing scratchcards,


He now runs an airline...
BirchangerKen (24.09.2017, 21:55)
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017 10:34:03 +0100, "tim..." <tims_new_home>
wrote:

>But these would be offences in the own right (if they are, in fact
>committed) even if the guy was selling these things from his own front room.
>They don't make the undying act (of doing it during the course of his
>employment) a crime.
>I can make crimes out of a train official doing his "paid for" job by adding
>in some "doing the job wrongly" part to the description what he did (E.g.
>restraining an un-ticketed customer "with unreasonable force").
>tim

FWIW we all liked the chap. In many respects he was an asset to the
railey, and I imagine bar sales would have been much lower if it
wasn't for his banter.
BirchangerKen (24.09.2017, 21:55)
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017 12:05:53 +0100, Arthur Figgis
<afiggis> wrote:

>On 23/09/2017 19:19, BirchangerKen wrote:
>> And then there was an infamous buffet steward on the LS-Cambridge
>> trains in the years just prior to electrification. He was always
>> pushing scratchcards,

>He now runs an airline...


Can't be him - he never swore once, in my hearing.
spuorgelgoog (25.09.2017, 00:43)
On Saturday, 23 September 2017 19:19:23 UTC+1, BirchangerKen wrote:
> ... scratchcards, which I'm fairly certain were not supplied to
> him by Travellers Fare. I wouldn't have minded if they'd been in date,
> but they rarely were.


Was anything sold by Travellers Fare in date? ;-)

Owain
Michael R N Dolbear (25.09.2017, 00:56)
"Anna Noyd-Dryver" wrote

>> And then there was an infamous buffet steward on the LS-Cambridge
>> trains in the years just prior to electrification. He was always


>Oh indeed, there will always be people who try to cheat the system. They
>get caught eventually.
> However I'm struggling to think of an occasion when they've been ripping
> off the customer, rather than the company.


Does "soup for breakfast" ring a bell?

The fraud consisted of the stewards bringing in their own food and pocketing
the price of the additional meals. They got over-extended, hence soup.
Charles Ellson (25.09.2017, 01:17)
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017 20:55:06 +0100, BirchangerKen <ken>
wrote:
[..]
Anna Noyd-Dryver (25.09.2017, 05:31)
BirchangerKen <ken> wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Sep 2017 10:34:03 +0100, "tim..." <tims_new_home>
> wrote:
> FWIW we all liked the chap. In many respects he was an asset to the
> railey, and I imagine bar sales would have been much lower if it
> wasn't for his banter.


Cheerful chappie, very popular, 'asset to the railway', can't follow the
rules, gets sacked? Sounds like the ticket office chap from Lymington (?) a
few years ago!

As for selling your own scratchcards across the buffet counter, my TOC has
sacked people for bringing in their own stock and selling that instead of
the TOC's stock - where would you draw the line? ;)

Anna Noyd-Dryver
BirchangerKen (25.09.2017, 10:40)
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017 15:43:55 -0700 (PDT), spuorgelgoog
wrote:

>On Saturday, 23 September 2017 19:19:23 UTC+1, BirchangerKen wrote:
>> ... scratchcards, which I'm fairly certain were not supplied to
>> him by Travellers Fare. I wouldn't have minded if they'd been in date,
>> but they rarely were.

>Was anything sold by Travellers Fare in date? ;-)


It was carefully pre-aged before delivery.

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