ukclique > railway

Certes (24.09.2017, 13:46)
On 24/09/17 01:11, Nobody wrote:
> In reverse, does that leave the Inverness to Thurso/Wick situation as
> a unique operation, in not requiring a split or join to service two
> branches?
> As I understand it, nowadays in order to head to Wick from the south
> (or to depart for points down the line), one rides through Georgemas
> Jct for a trundle to Thurso, then takes an excursion back to Georgemas
> before finally reaching Wick (or in reverse, heading up to Thurso
> before going down the coast.)
> That has to be special.


Trains to Eastbourne and Hastings go through Hampden Park twice, though
I can't find any that stop there in both directions. But I doubt that
splitting those trains would save any time even if it were practicable.

Historically I've been on the Plymouth sleeper and the odd XC service to
Edinburgh via Glasgow, passing through Carstairs twice. There were also
services to Scarborough and Filey with two visits to Seamer, and a few
late night St Pancras-Derby via Nottingham trains (or maybe vice versa).
D A Stocks (24.09.2017, 19:53)
"gordonT" <tshanazt> wrote in message
news:18be
> I'm thinking of stations like Hayward's Heath and Redhill where trains
> regularly divide and attach mid-journey (rather than any routine
> splitting/attaching at termini). Which station sees the most on a normal
> weekday?


I think all/most of Haywards Heath, Redhill, Horsham, Purley have
splitting/joining portions of trains, but I really can't be bothered to
count them up. Haywards Heath may have the odd train that splits 3 ways -
e.g. Eastbourne, Brighton, Littlehampton (maybe not in that order). There
certainly used to be trains that split once at Haywards Heath and then again
at Worthing.
BevanPrice (24.09.2017, 22:17)
On 24/09/2017 01:11, Nobody wrote:
[..]
> before finally reaching Wick (or in reverse, heading up to Thurso
> before going down the coast.)
> That has to be special.


But adds about 25 minutes to the journey time between Inverness & Wick....
Clive D.W. Feather (25.09.2017, 21:19)
In article <mtsdsc98up0md18sibo7dlvs4v7jmeip9e>, Nobody
<jock> writes
>As I understand it, nowadays in order to head to Wick from the south
>(or to depart for points down the line), one rides through Georgemas
>Jct for a trundle to Thurso, then takes an excursion back to Georgemas
>before finally reaching Wick (or in reverse, heading up to Thurso
>before going down the coast.)


When I did the run to Wick, back in 1981 or 1982 (I forget which), the
train split/joined at Georgemas. This meant:
(a) a loco had to wait at Georgemas just to do the Thurso run three
times a day;
(b) getting between Wick and Thurso by train took about 7 hours;
(c) I didn't get to Thurso (the timetable was such that the 06:xx
departure from Inverness gave you about an hour in Wick if you wanted to
be back to catch the sleeper that evening).
Garden6089 (25.09.2017, 22:15)
On Monday, 25 September 2017 20:21:20 UTC+1, Clive D.W. Feather wrote:
[..]
> be back to catch the sleeper that evening).
> --
> Clive D.W. Feather


The trick was to go by bus between the two towns, which by the standards ofNorthern Scotland was fairly frequent. ISTR that if you caught the 06xx from Inverness, you had to go to Wick first and then catch the bus to Thurso as there was no corresponding bus in the opposite direction but the other two trains (only three per day at that time) had bus connections in each direction. Mind you, I did the journey for the one and only time in 1988!
Tony Dragon (26.09.2017, 00:33)
On 24/09/2017 01:27, damduck-egg wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Sep 2017 00:59:09 +0100, Martin Coffee
> <martin.coffee.252153> wrote:
> I haven't personally seen 10 cars .
> The Bristol and Exeter portions are usually 3 car 159 so presumably
> the extra units were a pair of 2 car 158 units.
> G .Harman

In the morning rush hour at Surbiton I often saw a 2x158 plus a 2x159
train pass thriugh.
Nobody (26.09.2017, 03:23)
On Mon, 25 Sep 2017 13:15:01 -0700 (PDT), Garden6089 wrote:

>On Monday, 25 September 2017 20:21:20 UTC+1, Clive D.W. Feather wrote:
>The trick was to go by bus between the two towns, which by the standards of Northern Scotland was fairly frequent. ISTR that if you caught the 06xx from Inverness, you had to go to Wick first and then catch the bus to Thurso as there was no corresponding bus in the opposite direction but the other two trains (only three per day at that time) had bus connections in each direction. Mind you, I did the journey for the one and only time in 1988!


My experience was in either Sept or Oct '89 or '90... when did the
Berlin Wall fall?!

Tourist Info in Inverness advised, "Theer nae accommodation in Thurso"
so I left my bag at a B&B in Inverness for a day excursion: up to
Thurso on a morning DMU (split at Georgemas), bus across to Wick in
early afternoon, and south to Inverness with a re-join at Georgemas in
time for a mid-evening dinner in Inverness.

I didn't get to John o' Groats.. darn.
clausenjh (26.09.2017, 08:40)
On Sunday, September 24, 2017 at 12:46:30 PM UTC+1, Certes wrote:
> Trains to Eastbourne and Hastings go through Hampden Park twice, though
> I can't find any that stop there in both directions. But I doubt that
> splitting those trains would save any time even if it were practicable.


The Brighton to Ore stoppers and vice versa stop there twice. The London trains don't normally stop on the way from/to Lewes but do stop on the Hastings leg of the journey.

John
hounslow3 (26.09.2017, 10:19)
On 26.09.17 2:23, Nobody wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Sep 2017 13:15:01 -0700 (PDT), Garden6089 wrote:
> My experience was in either Sept or Oct '89 or '90... when did the
> Berlin Wall fall?!


9 November 1989.
Mark Bestley (26.09.2017, 13:00)
D A Stocks <nospam> wrote:

> "gordonT" <tshanazt> wrote in message
> news:18be
> I think all/most of Haywards Heath, Redhill, Horsham, Purley have
> splitting/joining portions of trains, but I really can't be bothered to
> count them up. Haywards Heath may have the odd train that splits 3 ways -
> e.g. Eastbourne, Brighton, Littlehampton (maybe not in that order). There
> certainly used to be trains that split once at Haywards Heath and then again
> at Worthing.


There are ones that split at both Haywards Heath and Eastbourne
tim... (26.09.2017, 15:43)
"Clive D.W. Feather" <clive> wrote in message
news:fw8m
> In article <mtsdsc98up0md18sibo7dlvs4v7jmeip9e>, Nobody
> <jock> writes
> When I did the run to Wick, back in 1981 or 1982 (I forget which), the
> train split/joined at Georgemas.


when I did the run to Wick/Thurso they split the train into 4 parts and then
put it back together as two separate trains

tim
Sam Wilson (26.09.2017, 19:52)
On 2017-09-25 22:33:11 +0000, Tony Dragon said:

> On 24/09/2017 01:27, damduck-egg wrote:
> In the morning rush hour at Surbiton I often saw a 2x158 plus a 2x159
> train pass thriugh.


ISTR Driver Ancromarty saying there was a limit on the number of cabs
that could be coupled together in a Sprinter-type setup, and I thought
it was 6. Putting 4 units together clearly breaks that limit so either
I'm remembering wrong or things have been changed. Anyone?

Sam
Charles Ellson (27.09.2017, 04:57)
On Tue, 26 Sep 2017 18:52:50 +0100, Sam Wilson <Sam.Wilson>
wrote:

>On 2017-09-25 22:33:11 +0000, Tony Dragon said:
>ISTR Driver Ancromarty saying there was a limit on the number of cabs
>that could be coupled together in a Sprinter-type setup, and I thought
>it was 6. Putting 4 units together clearly breaks that limit so either
>I'm remembering wrong or things have been changed. Anyone?

Maybe more or less the same reason as on older DMUs where you could
only have the indicator lights in the cab for so many (four?) engines
or sets of engines. Presumably the surplus could still run as
unpowered tail traffic. Something similar applies with e.g. c.378s
(there used to be a driver training video on YouTube showing it) where
the maximum train length exceeds the maximum vehicles in multiple.
Anna Noyd-Dryver (27.09.2017, 10:53)
Sam Wilson <Sam.Wilson> wrote:
> On 2017-09-25 22:33:11 +0000, Tony Dragon said:
> ISTR Driver Ancromarty saying there was a limit on the number of cabs
> that could be coupled together in a Sprinter-type setup, and I thought
> it was 6. Putting 4 units together clearly breaks that limit so either
> I'm remembering wrong or things have been changed. Anyone?


12 cars/cabs (i.e., cabless centre cars still count, but 153s count twice).
This gets Reston certain circumstances - from recent discussions with the
aforementioned Gd. Anchromarty it seems that gWr's restriction to 10
cars/cabs if a 153 is involved is a gWr-only thing; I think that the
reduction to 8 cars/cabs with a 14x in formation is a network-wide thing,
though.

Anna Noyd-Dryver
Sam Wilson (27.09.2017, 14:37)
On 2017-09-27 08:53:07 +0000, Anna Noyd-Dryver said:

> Sam Wilson <Sam.Wilson> wrote:
> 12 cars/cabs (i.e., cabless centre cars still count, but 153s count twice).
> This gets Reston certain circumstances - from recent discussions with the
> aforementioned Gd. Anchromarty it seems that gWr's restriction to 10
> cars/cabs if a 153 is involved is a gWr-only thing; I think that the
> reduction to 8 cars/cabs with a 14x in formation is a network-wide thing,
> though.


Thanks for that. It's certainly at odds with what I thought I
remembered, but that's the way many things seem to go these days. :-)

If you're in contact with Mr Ancromarty (has he moved back to his
previous position?) I'm sure many here would want to offer cordial
greetings.

Sam

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