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Nick Leverton (07.09.2017, 10:41)
In article <4kg0rcp7stmnfdhls33hrm0gan9jg54bvi>,
<damduck-egg> wrote:
[..]
> that instead of being encouraged to explore journey options for a
>day out I almost expect advice on how to organise the final one.
>I suppose ending up in Waterloo can be like Hell sometimes.


Single ticket to Brookwood, sir ?

Nick
Graeme Wall (07.09.2017, 11:56)
On 07/09/2017 09:32, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <ooqubf$v47>, at 09:00:47 on Thu, 7 Sep 2017,
> Graeme Wall <rail> remarked:
> All GN will need is a few logos changing.
> Re-vinyling. And Rome's frogs weren't boiled in a day.


Re-liverying to avoid confusion, doubt and ukr pedantry.
Graeme Wall (07.09.2017, 11:57)
On 07/09/2017 09:33, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <ooque1$v47>, at 09:02:09 on Thu, 7 Sep 2017,
> Graeme Wall <rail> remarked:
> As handed down by the DfT.


So you claim.
Roland Perry (07.09.2017, 13:21)
In message <oor56h$off$3>, at 10:57:37 on Thu, 7 Sep 2017,
Graeme Wall <rail> remarked:
>>>>  In my home territory, GN and Thameslink has been fitting a very
>>>>plain  grey livery, and Greater Anglia has dropped the previously
>>>>prepended  "Abellio". None of GN, Thameslink or Southern contain a
>>>>reference to the  parent company (Govia) in their marketing or branding.
>>> It's the current "fashion".


>> As handed down by the DfT.

>So you claim.


I've quoted the ITT, chapter and verse!!
Graeme Wall (07.09.2017, 13:42)
On 07/09/2017 12:21, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <oor56h$off>, at 10:57:37 on Thu, 7 Sep 2017,
> Graeme Wall <rail> remarked:
> I've quoted the ITT, chapter and verse!!


Which says nothing about the liveries having to be boring and dull.
Roland Perry (07.09.2017, 13:54)
In message <oorbar$eqb$2>, at 12:42:19 on Thu, 7 Sep 2017,
Graeme Wall <rail> remarked:
>Which says nothing about the liveries having to be boring and dull.


That may be your interpretation, but it's not mine, nor apparently is it
the train company's.
Recliner (07.09.2017, 14:36)
Roland Perry <roland> wrote:
> In message <ooprrn$dc6>, at 16:12:05 on Wed, 6 Sep 2017,
> Recliner <Recliner.ng> remarked:
> Or stricter franchise requirements from the DfT.
> In my home territory, GN and Thameslink has been fitting a very plain
> grey livery, and Greater Anglia has dropped the previously prepended
> "Abellio". None of GN, Thameslink or Southern contain a reference to the
> parent company (Govia) in their marketing or branding.


That's always been the Govia philosophy. In fact, "Govia Thameslink
Railway" is the first time Govia has used its own name in a TOC brand. For
example, it's even harder to find any mention of Govia on London Midland's
web site than it is on Great Northern'.

Conversely, even Chiltern's trains now tell you that they're operated by
DB.
Roland Perry (07.09.2017, 16:06)
In message <989728138.526477862.261583.recliner.ng-
btinternet.com>, at 12:36:18 on Thu, 7 Sep
2017, Recliner <recliner.ng> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland> wrote:
>That's always been the Govia philosophy.


Which means that complying with the DfT's requirements was easy for
them.

>In fact, "Govia Thameslink
>Railway" is the first time Govia has used its own name in a TOC brand.


Except it's not a TOC brand, which are GN, Southern and Thameslink.

GTR is the virtually invisible name of their holding company.

>For example, it's even harder to find any mention of Govia on London
>Midland's web site than it is on Great Northern'.
>Conversely, even Chiltern's trains now tell you that they're operated by
>DB.


Is there a by-line on their plain livery somewhere? Just like London's
red buses have a small by-line:



(London General)

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Sc/s1600/popular-and-beautiful-buses-of-london-specially-called-double-
deckers.jpg>

(First)
Recliner (07.09.2017, 17:19)
Roland Perry <roland> wrote:
[..]
> Sc/s1600/popular-and-beautiful-buses-of-london-specially-called-double-
> deckers.jpg>
> (First)


From memory, it's something along the lines of "part of Arriva, a DB
company" in small print on the carriages. I don't recall when Chiltern
first started advertising that it was an Arriva subsidiary, but at a guess,
it was after Adrian Shooter retired. Of course, the Chiltern liveries
(there are several) aren't particularly plain.
Roland Perry (07.09.2017, 18:31)
In message <RrdsB.130503$OC1.11572>, at 15:19:13 on Thu, 7 Sep
2017, Recliner <recliner.ng> remarked:

>From memory, it's something along the lines of "part of Arriva, a DB
>company" in small print on the carriages.


That sounds about right. I think the XC trains also now acknowledge the
DB ownership of Arriva.

>I don't recall when Chiltern
>first started advertising that it was an Arriva subsidiary, but at a guess,
>it was after Adrian Shooter retired. Of course, the Chiltern liveries
>(there are several) aren't particularly plain.


Like many of the older TOCs they do change the livery from time to time,
but the latest additions to the fleet (172s) are regulation plain
white-grey carriage, and some rectangles of royal blue. Plus purple-ish
doors.

The company name is very understated, just behind the driver door.

<
s/11>

I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that change to white-grey with
just purple/blue doors when the franchise is eventually re-let.
Graham Harrison (07.09.2017, 21:50)
On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 10:20:24 +0100, Basil Jet <basil>
wrote:

>
>I prefer the old one.


Every comment I've seen says exactly the same.

However

Can anyone remember their first reaction to the SWT liveries? I
can't help thinking the use of the word "Barbie" which has been used
in reference to the outgoing livery may well have been pejorative when
first used.
Recliner (08.09.2017, 01:20)
Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 10:20:24 +0100, Basil Jet <basil>
> wrote:
> Every comment I've seen says exactly the same.
> However
> Can anyone remember their first reaction to the SWT liveries? I
> can't help thinking the use of the word "Barbie" which has been used
> in reference to the outgoing livery may well have been pejorative when
> first used.


I thought 'Barbie' was the pejorative term for the once-widespread First
purple livery?
Recliner (08.09.2017, 01:52)
Roland Perry <roland> wrote:
[..]
> s/11>
> I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that change to white-grey with
> just purple/blue doors when the franchise is eventually re-let.


It depends on who wins it.

Don't forget Chiltern's silver trains:


<http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_01_2014/post-7271-0-79491900-1389040109.jpg>
Roland Perry (08.09.2017, 09:37)
In message <_YksB.50168$TH2.10639>, at 23:52:26 on Thu, 7 Sep
2017, Recliner <recliner.ng> remarked:

>> Like many of the older TOCs they do change the livery from time to time,


>It depends on who wins it.


No, it'll depend on whether the DfT's policy is still the same as
currently.

>Don't forget Chiltern's silver trains:


Like many of the older TOCs they do change the livery from time to time
Neil Williams (08.09.2017, 10:33)
On 2017-09-08 07:37:20 +0000, Roland Perry said:

>> Don't forget Chiltern's silver trains:

> Like many of the older TOCs they do change the livery from time to time


The silver livery only exists because it's the WSMR livery with vinyls.

Neil

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