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Arthur Figgis (10.02.2019, 13:22)
Waiting at a bus stop yesterday, I noticed the times for a
few-days-a-year return bus service from Kingston to Eastbourne.

Why does this exist?

Does anyone actually spend 3h 5min on a bus to Eastbourne, rather than
take a train? Yes, it's cheap, 10 quid return compared to train fares
from GBP8.50 single... but you would spend more of the day on the bus
than in Eastbourne. It looks like coffin-dodger passes are not valid(?).
Roland Perry (10.02.2019, 13:45)
In message <0I-dnRHwX8MWlP3BnZ2dnUU78UPNnZ2d>, at
11:22:52 on Sun, 10 Feb 2019, Arthur Figgis
<afiggis> remarked:
>Waiting at a bus stop yesterday, I noticed the times for a
>few-days-a-year return bus service from Kingston to Eastbourne.
>Why does this exist?
>Does anyone actually spend 3h 5min on a bus to Eastbourne, rather than
>take a train?


Easily beaten by the 3hrs 50mins for the Oxford-Cambridge bus.

>Yes, it's cheap, 10 quid return compared to train fares from GBP8.50
>single... but you would spend more of the day on the bus than in
>Eastbourne. It looks like coffin-dodger passes are not valid(?).


The X5 (above) offers an unspecified discount for card-holders before
9:30 which implies they are valid after 9:30.
Optimist (10.02.2019, 14:25)
On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 11:45:52 +0000, Roland Perry <roland> wrote:

>In message <0I-dnRHwX8MWlP3BnZ2dnUU78UPNnZ2d>, at
>11:22:52 on Sun, 10 Feb 2019, Arthur Figgis
><afiggis> remarked:
>Easily beaten by the 3hrs 50mins for the Oxford-Cambridge bus.
>The X5 (above) offers an unspecified discount for card-holders before
>9:30 which implies they are valid after 9:30.


I can see the attraction to many people of a through bus service over a faster rail journey
requiring changes en route.
Arthur Figgis (10.02.2019, 14:30)
On 10/02/2019 11:45, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <0I-dnRHwX8MWlP3BnZ2dnUU78UPNnZ2d>, at
> 11:22:52 on Sun, 10 Feb 2019, Arthur Figgis
> <afiggis> remarked:
> Easily beaten by the 3hrs 50mins for the Oxford-Cambridge bus.


These days aren't those posh vehicles with according to Stagecoach "the
luxury of leather reclining seats, air conditioning and free Wi-Fi" (and
tiolets), rather than ordinary red double-deckers like this


>> Yes, it's cheap, 10 quid return compared to train fares from GBP8.50
>> single... but you would spend more of the day on the bus than in
>> Eastbourne. It looks like coffin-dodger passes are not valid(?).

> The X5 (above) offers an unspecified discount for card-holders before
> 9:30 which implies they are valid after 9:30.


"Special £7 Return on 774 only for Freedom Pass Holders.No other
concessions available."
Roland Perry (10.02.2019, 14:55)
In message <GYidnXWQ8_D4hP3BnZ2dnUU78Y_NnZ2d>, at
12:30:29 on Sun, 10 Feb 2019, Arthur Figgis
<afiggis> remarked:
>These days aren't those posh vehicles with according to Stagecoach "the
>luxury of leather reclining seats, air conditioning and free Wi-Fi"
>(and tiolets), rather than ordinary red double-deckers like this
>
>"Special £7 Return on 774 only for Freedom Pass Holders.No other
>concessions available."


What's 774?
Arthur Figgis (10.02.2019, 15:12)
On 10/02/2019 12:55, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <GYidnXWQ8_D4hP3BnZ2dnUU78Y_NnZ2d>, at
> 12:30:29 on Sun, 10 Feb 2019, Arthur Figgis
> <afiggis> remarked:
> What's 774?


Dorking to Tunbridge Wells or Bluewater, it seems. GoAhead seem to have
a handful of these odd infrequent return services.
Roland Perry (10.02.2019, 15:30)
In message <bIudnQnZ16zdvv3BnZ2dnUU78SudnZ2d>, at
13:12:32 on Sun, 10 Feb 2019, Arthur Figgis
<afiggis> remarked:
>Dorking to Tunbridge Wells or Bluewater, it seems. GoAhead seem to have
>a handful of these odd infrequent return services.


I was wondering how 774 applied to the X5.
Robin (10.02.2019, 15:49)
On 10/02/2019 13:12, Arthur Figgis wrote:
> On 10/02/2019 12:55, Roland Perry wrote:
> Dorking to Tunbridge Wells or Bluewater, it seems. GoAhead seem to have
> a handful of these odd infrequent return services.


It seems to me they are a residual example of the once common phenomenon
in London: "days out" using buses. My memory is not reliable but I seem
to recall they were widely advertised on London buses when I
occasionally used them in the late 50s/early 60s. ("Occasionally" as
they cost money so even as a nipper I was expected to walk.)

And lo, the first page of search results yielded



which includes

"Go-Ahead London is pleased to provide our new ‘77’ services as part of
our special Great Days Out range for winter and spring 2018/2019.

Check out our ‘group friendly’ fares to Tunbridge Wells, Bluewater,
Brighton, Eastbourne Pier; and new destination Portsmouth, departing
from Dorking, Sutton or Kingston."

and

"2 Together return £15"

None of those may be to your taste. But for people who are time-rich,
money poor, they have their attractions.

That said, the lack of advertised loo stops would give me pause for
thought these days :(
Arthur Figgis (10.02.2019, 15:51)
On 10/02/2019 13:30, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <bIudnQnZ16zdvv3BnZ2dnUU78SudnZ2d>, at
> 13:12:32 on Sun, 10 Feb 2019, Arthur Figgis
> <afiggis> remarked:
> I was wondering how 774 applied to the X5.


I was wondering how the X5 applied to transport in (or from) London...
Roland Perry (10.02.2019, 17:03)
In message <6vadnWF2hL7xsf3BnZ2dnUU78b2dnZ2d>, at
13:51:40 on Sun, 10 Feb 2019, Arthur Figgis
<afiggis> remarked:
>On 10/02/2019 13:30, Roland Perry wrote:
>I was wondering how the X5 applied to transport in (or from) London...


It's a well-known example of a bus service with longer end-to-end times
than the OP's. Or do you think residents of Kingston are more fidgety
than those in Oxford or Cambridge?
Arthur Figgis (10.02.2019, 18:06)
On 10/02/2019 15:03, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <6vadnWF2hL7xsf3BnZ2dnUU78b2dnZ2d>, at
> 13:51:40 on Sun, 10 Feb 2019, Arthur Figgis
> <afiggis> remarked:
> It's a well-known example of a bus service with longer end-to-end times
> than the OP's. Or do you think residents of Kingston are more fidgety
> than those in Oxford or Cambridge?


I can see the need for a frequent, direct link between a major centre of
education, science, technology etc, south Midlands-ish towns not linked
by rail, and a place where marmalade comes from, but it is less obvious
where there would be a bus from a fairly generic suburb to a suburb
no-one has heard of to a place with fast trains to a random seaside town.

Some years ago I found a London bus route which had a "parliamentary"
style service which had apparently linked an old people's residential
area with a supermarket, which had since been eclipsed by changing
retail patterns but did have a non-obvious reason to be there.
blt__58h (10.02.2019, 18:35)
On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 11:22:52 +0000
Arthur Figgis <afiggis> wrote:
>Waiting at a bus stop yesterday, I noticed the times for a
>few-days-a-year return bus service from Kingston to Eastbourne.
>Why does this exist?


OAPs day out to the seaside?
blt_qe8Vkx598z (10.02.2019, 18:37)
On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 12:30:29 +0000
Arthur Figgis <afiggis> wrote:
>On 10/02/2019 11:45, Roland Perry wrote:
>These days aren't those posh vehicles with according to Stagecoach "the
>luxury of leather reclining seats, air conditioning and free Wi-Fi" (and


Luxury is always a relative term when applied to buses. It'll still be cramped,
bouncy and slow with a toilet that will probably stink the bus out about an
hour into the journey.
Roland Perry (10.02.2019, 19:36)
In message <w9ydnVkzScFh1v3BnZ2dnUU78XHNnZ2d>, at
16:06:20 on Sun, 10 Feb 2019, Arthur Figgis
<afiggis> remarked:
>On 10/02/2019 15:03, Roland Perry wrote:
>I can see the need for a frequent, direct link between a major centre
>of education, science, technology etc, south Midlands-ish towns not
>linked by rail, and a place where marmalade comes from,


The perceived need is somewhat diluted by the ~4hr each way timing.
John Levine (10.02.2019, 19:37)
In article <LwKygyQw7AYcFAYn>,
Roland Perry <roland> wrote:
>Easily beaten by the 3hrs 50mins for the Oxford-Cambridge bus.


How many people take it end to end? The few times I took it most
people got on or off in Bedford and Milton Keynes.

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